Paul on the One Clarence podcast: third spaces, subscriptions and the graduation path

News June 2026 · Episode 36

Paul sat down with the One Clarence podcast for an hour on development, innovation and the importance of third spaces — the places that aren't home and aren't work, where a town actually happens. CCK takes up a good chunk of it.

Three things from the episode

Why the Northtowns needed a kitchen. Before CCK, an aspiring food business in this part of the county had two options: rent an entire restaurant storefront, or cobble hours together from fire halls and church basements. Neither is how you test an idea.

The subscription model. We modeled CCK on a streaming subscription rather than a rental: a flat monthly membership, a set number of hours in a 24/7 kitchen, free storage, and the county or state license that lets you legally sell. Low barrier in, no lease, cancel anytime.

The graduation path. Because CCK sits inside a family real estate company, a member can go from a few hours a week to their own storefront — and we can help them find it. The Muffin Man, Snack Bandit and Millie's Ice Cream have all done exactly that.

Len the Muffin Man's storefront opening
Len the Muffin Man's storefront opening
Snack Bandit's ribbon cutting, Orchard Park
Snack Bandit's ribbon cutting, Orchard Park
It's not a one-man show, even if you're a sole proprietor. You rely on the village.Paul Stephen

Listen on Spotify. Thanks to the Clarence Family Support Center for having us.

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